Conversations with Tom

May 2000

CONTENTS
May 5, 2000
May 9, 2000, May 9, 2000 (second letter)
May 12, 2000
May 16, 2000, May 16, 2000 (second letter)
May 17, 2000, May 17, 2000 (second letter), May 17, 2000 (third letter)
May 18, 2000
May 19, 2000
May 21, 2000
May 22, 2000
May 24, 2000
May 25, 2000
May 31, 2000


Tom's comments are in Blue, Shawn's are in Black
© Copyright Shawn Regan and Tom Dark, all rights reserved

May 5, 2000

Tom: Haven't heard from you lately... what happened, did you win the whole thing after all?

Still putting along for me with 1 correct number at a time, tho' last round I got 3 right.

Had an interesting experience about it, though, that I meant to mention.


May 9, 2000

Shawn:Not yet. I'm playing tonight's Big Game drawing...$325 million...I tried using a pendulum to pick the numbers. We'll see how that works out.

Tom:Say, neat. Good luck. May you win every nickel of it. But be sure and let me know. That's an awful lot of pendulum-swinging... Had an interesting experience about it, though, that I meant to mention.

Shawn:Cute...

Tom:Cute? How do you know it's cute? I haven't told you yet...


May 9, 2000 (second letter)

Tom:That's an awful lot of pendulum-swinging...

Shawn:I devised a new method....In TES4 Seth is discussing using the Pendulum with Rob, but no description of HOW to use the thing.

Tom:Oh. Well, Rob just used the old "yes" and "no" idea, where if it swings... I forget. I think up and down is "yes" and side-to-side is "no." So you'd need a hundred-ought swings for it...

Tom:Mind you, as the future is basically unpredictable, you may guess the exact right numbers at the time, but 2 seconds later it may be a whole 'nother set. So if you succeed, I'LL buy YOU a beer. But you'll have to pay your own way here.

Tom:Had an interesting experience about it, though, that I meant to mention.

Tom:Cute? How do you know it's cute? I haven't told you yet...

Shawn:The fact that you could have included it in the last message instead of telling you meant to include it.

Tom:Nope, haven't had time. Correspondence backed up and I'm stealing moments from the honorable Dr. Greenfield by answering this. Will tell it, though...


May 12, 2000

Shawn:Seth's use of "Inner Ego", "Inner Self", and "Entity". Are they separate?

Tom: "There are no divisions to the self." Keep that in mind while mulling it all over. Tom>In a thumbnail: the inner ego "performs the rather rambunctious task of creating probabilities" if I remember the sentence right. As your inner ego, you form your own heartbeat and the other so-called involuntary functions. You are also aware of other existences in time... probable versions of your present self as well as past selves. Knowledge of future selves is also available, I know from experience, but ordinarily kept from present perception as a matter of initiative.

Tom: The inner self is synonymous with greater self or soul or entity. The inner ego would be the part of your conscious identity closest to your waking ego. The personality you call "me" is safely tucked inside your inner or greater ego, tho physical reality creates the effect of "outside"ness. Your conscious mind would be like the space between the two focuses.

Think of your personality as a pyramid, with your ego being the capstone. In a "more or less" way, your identity expands into the lower supporting blocks that comprise you-as-pyramid. Ego, inner ego, inner self or soul, oversoul, and so on... ad infinitum, actually.

Tom: Or say your present body and environment is a leaf on a branch of a tree. You'd be with a cluster of leaves, all of them being probable selves, and you'd expand into being a branch to a trunk to roots to earth, also ad infinitum.

Tom: "Subconscious" doesn't really count, except that you can't keep your attention on all those things at once, and so must shut certain things out. Can't handle all that info now, anyway. Seth says that in eventualities the ego will include what we now think of as the dream state. I'm not far from that, and am fully there sometimes. My ego tends to be steadily aware of dream states as part of the voluntary subjective me, sometimes lucidly, sometimes fuzzily.

Tom: Jane figured out that also, in eventualities, we'll consciously handle our bodies in ways that are now "involuntary." Like taking a shit and breathing and so on. Some yogis can do that sort of thing now -- slow or stop or speed up their heartbeats, and some can take in an enema by squatting in a tub of water and sucking it up their rectums and spooting it back out, no differently than rinsing your mouth and spitting it out.

Tom:Your inner self is not isolated, existing only in framework 2. You use your abilities more fully in framework 2, having more dimensions to play with. But your inner self is reading these words at this moment, using your ego to do it. Your ego is part of your inner self the way your fingers are part of your body. Some present-moment exercises might be handy for you to loosen up your comprehension of that fact.

Tom:Also, it must have dawned on you that the "you" Seth is always addressing in his books is usually the Greater You. Give that some eye-widening thought.

Tom:As to "the personality," mind you how often Seth says that we accept so little of our actual selves as "personality." Again, as though we assign "personality" to a little finger and the rest of us is unknown, unused, and considered spooky. A personality includes anything that is capable of awareness in any way... which is to say, everything that exists. Or All That Is. There is a unified personality called "Atlanta" who perceives in a gestalt fashion. I'm sure it includes the gods or spirits the ancient injuns recognized in the area, besides your own venerable self, these days. Over here in Tucson you can kind of sense that Kapookapakapelli, or whatever his name is, is personally aware of you. The desert will do that for you. He's depicted as a funny little injun feller who dances around and plays a flute. That personality exists in the air and sand even where I live, which is across and down one street from a synagogue and a block away from a Kosher deli.

Shawn:P.S. Didn't match a single number last night

Tom:Ah well... and I got my usual ONE number correct, with a couple three others a digit off, speaking of spooky.


May 16,2000

Shawn:Thanks for the information on the various parts of the self. I'm actually working on a graphic (artwork) to represent the various aspects of the self as indicated by Seth.

Shawn:Your indication that Seth is actually speaking to my inner self was something I hadn't realized. On one of the Yahoo board one of the anti-Seth types mentioned how "His concepts are pleasing to the individual, even coddling" which he decided would discredit the works. This may help explain why so much of this stuff 'hits home' for me anyway.

Shawn:I came across something that seems very powerful in TES4. (3 quotes)

"You can indeed suggest to the subconscious that it carry on in such a manner regardless of your conscious concern. As a result the ego can apply itself to the job at hand while the subconscious works for you and your inner purposes. This is very practical, and works without much difficulty."-Session 177, p.190

"You may obviously also direct your subconscious to react only to constructive suggestions from any source. This is in fact an excellent habit to cultivate."-Session 177, p.190

"It will indeed be beneficial for you both to suggest to your subconscious that it enable you to develop your psychic abilities, and then consciously forget the matter."-Session 178, p.196

Shawn:In the lucid dreaming books it had been suggested to "remind" yourself as you fell asleep that you wanted to have a lucid dream. This technique was not widely used as other techniques have given better results to the populous at large. Does this time, just before sleep, seem to be a more effective time for suggesstion?


May 16,2000

Tom:I taught myself how to see auras a long time ago. Therein I learned a few things; not the least of which is, you can teach yourself to see things in a lot of different perspectives. AND, the novelty can wear off and there's nothing wrong with that...

Tom:So, Shawn, so long as you've been corresponding with me, you haven't reported that you've actually tried any of the suggested exercises. Have you? This is much more interesting than just talking about it all, for which the novelty wore off for me probably 15 years ago, having heard enough in different Seth study groups.

Tom:As to board chatting, my time is pretty limited, so, for now I'm playing with this group of people who do NOT use "Seth-talk" and don't know much about it, to see what is what without having shop-talk to hide behind. I'm most impressed with Thyra's dreaming ability. Thyra lives in Istanbul, Turkey. Deb is also very good. Daisy Mae, I've known since 1995. Nicholas seems like he is more comfortable talking than doing... but we'll see.


May 17, 2000

Tom:I learned frauds disturbed Jane Roberts deeply, as she was so concerned with how gullible people can be. Jane wrote about it some, and mentioned it in some radio interviews, but Sue stressed about how deep Jane's revulsion really was. I could not have blamed her.

Tom:Jane was magnificently generous with what she genuinely understood. I was the recipient of quite a few blasts of energy from her, and I felt every one and saw results every time. What she could do was amazing.

Tom:Maybe people don't realize that because they just don't have the REAL experience.

Tom:I personally never would pay "a psychic" for anything. I had no intention of paying any traveling "representatives of Seth" a nickel, though I attended their for-pay classes once in awhile (by invitation, for free) and interviewed them on their own time for my own reasons.

Tom:I wrote Jane about doing this once and got an angry note back from her -- about Andy Hauck and O.G. Tigerman, if you know those names. She made Hauck out to be a liar. I thought he was a blowhard.

Tom:No matter what's been claimed, Jane did NOT wholeheartedly approve of the antics of some of her old ESP class kids out selling the gospel of Seth according to themselves and their high fees. She could easily have done the same, for far more, and she refused as a matter of integrity. She wrote me once and suggested I start a Seth group. She approved of this kind of thing, but not the other.

Tom:(As I remember, Jane was impressed with JOURNEYS OUT OF THE BODY but felt he had gone off the deep end with the rest of his stuff. It IS kind of junky and pseudoscientific sounding. I think Jane and Monroe met once, or corresponded awhile.)

Tom:I look at his stuff and I see the mediocre writing of a man who is fighting personal problems. It's as plain as day. He is a somewhat "imbecilic personality," as Seth described such sorts, who is obsessed with presenting a picture of himself to the world as a kind of hero-from-the-beyond. Just an ordinary guy like you and me, who has... special powers. Don't you hear a little schizophrenia going on there? Does his photograph look like the pic of a happy and well adjusted man to you? It looks rather self-absorbed, self-important, and a bit miserable to me. Kirlian aura shots aside. Just another overaged boy playing dungeons-and-dragons with himself.

Shawn:> Yes, I the last few weeks I've tried: Psychological Time
This one I've been doing like every day: http://www.geocities.com/sethtalk/exnpr8.htm
Did this one once: http://www.geocities.com/sethtalk/exnpr3.htm
And giving myself suggestions right before sleep.>

Tom:k. Any results? Psy time you have to do regularly. If you have interesting results, why not put 'em on the board I showed you and explain what you're doing?


May 17, 2000 (second letter)

Tom:As to discussions, they are behaving quite in line with the teachings of Seth. There's nothing childish about dissent and there's nothing childish about dissenting in high good humor. Seth certainly warned AGAINST "creating an artificial ceiling of peace" by not speaking what's on one's mind, and pretending with false humility and fakey smiles and wan statements instead. He was quite right. It leads to disaster.

Tom:If you have copies of Sue's books, "Conversations," look up the story about the Black Sheep of the Universe and the old legendary Seth, after whom Jane took his name.

Tom:Maybe people don't realize that because they just don't have the REAL experience [of authenticity like Jane's].

Shawn:>I'd agree with that. Part of my problem also but I'm working on it.

Tom:Shawn, it's important to realize that you are NOT "working on it." Your eyes see without your "working on them." Your ears hear without your "working on them." There's no way to use your inner senses but to use them, not "work on them." That's what those exercises are for, yet, they aren't necessary and they won't "work for you" so long as you don't simply own up to your own inner senses and start using them.

You do appear to have some beliefs that are in the way, but I guarantee that it is up to you and no one else to identify and change however you wish.

Shawn:>I wonder if she is paying attention to the Seth movement here in the >physical. I caught a type of intuition the other day that within >10-20 >years this stuff will be extremely widespread.

Tom:Some study of the Seth material itself might give you an idea about "where" she is these days. But the Seth material is already extremely widespread. "Speaks" was a best seller 30 years ago. It was spread throughout Red China by bootleggers at least 15 years ago, I learned from Rob. Rob mentioned editions in Hebrew, too. Plus most major European languages. It's everywhere. Seth ideas have been used in movies for years now. Watch the beginning of "Slackers" some time.

Tom:I had a pretty mighty vision about it myself in 1978. Because of that, I'm waiting to hear from India about it. Hasn't happened yet.

Shawn: He talked about using his imagination as a pathway to his inner experiences. Which seems to agree with Seth just fine.

Tom:Maybe you won't be able to discern a thing until you start your own experiments. LOTS of stuff "agrees with Seth just fine" so long as you have no knowledge from experience.

Shawn:I've learned not to judge a book by its cover. Unless your picking up some vibes below the surface I don't get the same impression from his picture.

Tom:It's there.

Shawn:>Thanks for the comments about the aura photography. If there any >interpretation you can give based on the photos. Are these photos even for >real?

Tom:As real as photographs of Santa Claus. Each of the photoes indicates plainly that you've spent money on them, possibly at some kind of psychic fair. But make this the last time you ever allow anyone else to decide for you what is real and what isn't. Ah: the real work you need to to is in making decisions. That's work. The rest follows.


May 17, 2000 (third letter)

Shawn: What is your occupation or daily activity by the way?

Tom:I live on my investments 'til I find interesting things to do. Was doing research for a doc in "Integrative medicine" last week. Sort of thinking of playing music again, but am still bored. Ran a recording studio, but am still bored. Edited a book for a physicist with a new theory of gravity. Might find more of that. Dunno. I try to live Sumari.

> ---Also read Herodotus about the ancient Egyptian followers of Seth. Good

Tom:Black Sheep of the Universe and the old legendary Seth, [etc]

Shawn: >I have old hardcopies of Vol1 and Vol2. I'll give it a look see.

Tom:Also read Herodotus about the ancient Egyptian followers of Seth. Good background.

> > Tom:Shawn, it's important to realize that you are NOT "working on it." >Your eyes see without your "working on them." {etc}

Shawn: >Sounds like good advice. The problem is identifying my limiting beliefs. It >always seems easier to see someone elses than my own.

Tom:You're making problems up here. Quit. You want psychic ability, then, say, look at your neighbor and imagine what he's thinking. See if you can find out. Remember your dreams. Write them down. Think about 'em. Apply them to reality. If you don't do stuff like this, the only "limiting belief" there is to discuss here is laziness. And U No what Seth said about that.

Shawn: Are these photos even for real?

> > Tom:As real as photographs of Santa Claus. Each of the photoes indicates >plainly that you've spent money on them, possibly at some kind of psychic >fair.

Shawn: >I got a good laugh from that one...

Tom:You're welcome.

Tom:But make this the last time you ever allow anyone else to decide for you what is real and what isn't. Ah: the real work you need to to is in making decisions. That's work. The rest follows.

Shawn: >Well I didn't ask just anyone...But I understand what you're saying here.

Tom:What do you mean, you didn't ask just anyone... you asked me. I'm just anyone where a thing like that is concerned.


May 18, 2000

>Tom:You're making problems up here. Quit. You want psychic ability, then, >[etc]

Shawn:>This is good stuff. There's got to be a way to distinguish my projection of >what someone is thinking from that I might actually be picking up.

Tom:SIGH. Bo- Ah say Boy, d'ya hear what ah'm sayin' to yuh? See this sentence you just wrote? What's that sentence SAY, boy? Let me read this sentence back to you. It says: "Dear Tom, here Ah Say Here is the latest problem ah'm makin' up for mahself." Cut it OUT, boy.

Tom:I don't know why that cartoon rooster keeps coming to mind about you these last couple days, but it does. What's his name again? The one who always tortured that dog?

Tom:But look. You haven't even started starting to start starting starting! You instead write me back another problem you've just tossed in your own way. Okay, we'll try a solution. Seth once said "If you think something is, then it is." Try thinking that. A lot.

Tom:He also said, but only about fifteen thousand times, that people know what each other are thinking. Get on the stick. Go with it. Obviously you're afraid. What have you got to lose? All you need to do is play with it.

Shawn:This is good stuff. There's got to be a way to distinguish my projection of what someone is thinking from that I might actually be picking up. In "The Dark Side of the Inner Child" Stephen Wolinsky has a chapter on 'mindreading' on how we automatically fill in what someone else is thinking. In traffic I might imagine someone is angry because I didn't make enough of an effort to let them come over...etc...Hard to distinguish between the subconscious and not.

Tom:What is THIS fecal reading matter? No WONDER you're afraid to even try. Flush that poop down the john where it belongs. Don't you know that psychiatry has the highest occupational suicide rate there is? And has since its beginning? It's crap like this that has them swallowing Drano trying to exorcise themselves of their own work.

Tom:"Wolinsky" is the name of one of the old ESP class members, by the way. Richard Wolinsky, aka "Will Petrosky" in Sue's book. I know him more intimately than I need to. When he was in college, he told me, he could not poop for 3 whole months. When I met him as an adult, it seemed to me that he still hadn't had a healthy crap his whole life. So it came out as "Martenard," a fake "channel" thing, sort of a psychic puppet version of his own overbearing father.

Tom:I'll give you one valuable, playful axiom to remember, next time you catch yourself throwing convenient little problems in your way: Fifty Million Elvis fans CAN be wrong. You can enjoy your own music.

Tom:Go. Do. It's a gorgeous day here. I got to go enjoy it.

Tom:PS I got 2 numbers right on the Powerball this time.


May 19, 2000

Tom:But look. You haven't even started starting to start starting starting!

Shawn:I do feel something internal, sort of a skepticism trying to rise up and keep me from trying. Kind of a futility that this is all just a waste of time. I imagine my ego is threatened and putting this up.

Tom:Bo- ah say BOY, pay ATTENSHUN here, son (flickflickflickflick) If you gonna be a chicken hawk, you gots to catch y'self a CHICKEN. Hear me, boy? You ain't gonna catch no chickens sittin' around imaginin' ya dam EGO. Jes' shet up and get to it.

Tom:Seriously, I can see for myself your ego isn't the problem. Just do something by way of experiment every day and keep trying things until it SEEMS to you something has happened. Then pause and continue.

Shawn:I checked Sue's book last night for your references. Unfortunately the index doesn't mention "Black Sheep" or "Egypt"

Tom:Volume 1, p. 199, hardcover. Chapter 9, titled "The Naked And The Dread," about a Halloween party session where Jane shows her tits.

Shawn:Any recommendations?

Tom:Start over with SETH SPEAKS, then NATURE OF PERSONAL REALITY, then UNKNOWN REALITY, then "UNKNOWN" REALITY, then PSYCHE, then INDIVIDUAL/MASS EVENTS -- in other words start from the beginning and go in the order that Seth recommended. He had his reasons and they work FOR you. Jumping around disjointedly doesn't do the job a fraction as well.

Shawn:>Any comments on Lynda Dahl?

Tom:Toss all her junk out and never buy her crap again. She's just a braggart. I THREW AWAY twice the money she brags about having made (2 million bucks, young man), and I had come by it the "Sethian" way. She did not. She's just noisy and ambitious.

Shawn:>Have you read " Jane Roberts' A view from the Other Side" by Mary Maracek? >She claims to have channeled Jane.

Tom:When I was staying with Sue, I saw lots and lots of baloney from people who claimed to be "channeling" (I HATE that fake term) Jane. I imagine Mary Maracek was among 'em. Excuse the expression but Jane Roberts wouldn't be caught DEAD "channeling" through anybody.

Tom:Besides, I've had communications with Jane in dreams. The matter of their validity was easy enough to prove. Example: She interrupted a dream of mine one night and told me once "Rob isn't listening to me. Tell him I'm very unhappy about the movie." She was upset.

Tom:So I called Rob that day to tell him the dream. Not 2 hours earlier, he had hung up the telephone from talking to a movie company that had called him to ask for the rights to the titles to all the Seth books. He later decided against it.

Tom:That was one of several incidents that seemed to put me in the middle of Rob's business. A portion of Jane's intent remains, having to do with the disposition of her writings, and whatever her concerns are for Rob. Rob paints probable versions of her. But Jane is NOT lurking around trying to send him happy, happy new-age poems through wanna-be types. Her actual character is quite audible on the old ESP class tapes. She has a whiny accent like a cracker from Upstate NY (I grew up where she did) and she tended to be kind of declarative.

Tom:As to where Jane is "now," there is no way in eternity this personality is wafting around in some never-never land hoping to use floppy new-age flowergirls as "channels" to finish up any kind of business or make "true confessions" about how she feels about anything. It's most likely that in terms of our times, she has moved on to another probability system, as Seth said she and Rob would -- and he said it right at the get-go in Seth Speaks. Why don't people who claim to be interested in this work READ the god damned books?

Tom:PS I got 2 numbers right on the Powerball this time.

Shawn:>Getting better!! It's got to be my influence...

Tom:No, lad. I've already done better than that. Get me up to 5, next round, and I'll even Xerox one of Rob's sketches for you.

Tom:PS I'm writing stuff to you that hundreds and hundreds of people need to hear too, I'm sure. And you're not even showing this to anybody, are you? Maybe I should at least post some of this stuff on the 'net someplace.


May 21, 2000

Tom:Seriously, I can see for myself your ego isn't the problem. Just do something by way of experiment every day and keep trying things until it SEEMS to you something has happened. Then pause and continue.

Shawn:Alright, seems like I'm so busy reading trying to figure out everything I neglect the practice which will actually show me.

Tom:I reckon. For me, different themes would prevail over others for lengthy periods of time that amounted to long meditations. For instance, for about 2 years, "what an ego is" predominated in my ruminations. Daily, I'd bring my own attention to what precisely "my ego" was up to in a given moment.

Tom:"What a belief is" still goes on as a predominating theme, but it seemed like a thicker sheaf of mental musical score for also about a 2 year period. I knew I didn't really have my own grasp on what "a belief is" even after learning to change some and effect practical results before my astonished eyes.

Tom:While ruminating daily on a major theme, all else I'd read would orbit about it. For instance, during the long initial mediation over the nature of belief, I remember spending about 6 months daily also going over the idea "you presently organize your lives in a somewhat circular fashion." (NATURE OF THE PSYCHE) Finally, I dreamed how that worked. I saw different aspects of my practical day, relationships and work and so on, forming loops and returning to me rather like ductile spokes to a hub. This image doesn't serve the comprehension it denotes for me that well, though.

> > Tom:Volume 1, p. 199, hardcover. Chapter 9, titled "The Naked And The >Dread," about a Halloween party session where Jane shows her tits.

Shawn:Was this her showing her tits, or Seth having a little fun? (kidding)

Tom:Both. Seth didn't do anything without Ruburt's implicit consent. I noticed in the video him exercising her right hand constantly... Jane out of trance kept her hands still, you can see.

Shawn:Wouldn't you suggest reading some of the Jane books or Sue's Book before I re-read Seth? Psychic Politics looked pretty good as well as Conversations?

Tom:Speaking of more hammering, I see I keep suggesting and suggesting and suggesting you read Seth's books in order. Ah has spokin, as Mammy Yokum would say. Yet: not I nor Congress shalt rule upon your reading choices, in any case.

Shawn:One day, if you wish, I'd like to hear the tale of how you made your money.

Tom:Then YOU, TOO, will have RICHES BEYOND YOUR WILDEST IMAGINATION! Thanks to the TOM DARK SETHIAN METHOD of GAINING RICHES BEYOND YOUR WILDEST IMAGINATION. I dunno. The whole of my tale is Concentrated Natural Hypnosis and following my nightly dreams -- which, I must add, was not quite what the phrase "follow your dreams" ordinarily connotes, or "achieving the American Dream," or other cliches synonymous with toeing the same line everyone else variously does.

Tom:For awhile I deliberated about writing the SEE HOW I SUCCEEDED kind of stuff. Seeing someone else writing that way using the Seth material as a sort of touchstone, I guessed that what I'd have written would also have appeared noisy and ambitious instead of magical, which is what it was, and is no matter when and where you are. I'm still forming ways to say "follow yourself" instead. I mean to avoid going door to door spreading that news, but the world needs more of this kind of whisper.

Tom:I think that selling people tales from the end of the rainbow doesn't serve better purposes. They'll do better spending a few bucks on a cheap Spielberg movie for that sort of thing. Or a good novel.

Tom:I was a famous satirist in another life, of course. That darned Samuel Clemens made off with my mustache before I could make a trademark of it for myself. I kept it even though I merely looked like a silly old man with a mustache and too much hair. I am here to seek revenge.

Tom:She has a whiny accent like a cracker from Upstate NY and she tended to be kind of declarative.

Shawn:I did get to see and hear her on the Video.

Tom:I got a scream from these tapes put out briefly by Simon & Schuster; the actress doing Jane's voice sounded like one they'd use for Helen Keller. Very proper Old Hollywood Fraudulent, and in some detectable way, disabled. We used to make horrible jokes about who would play Jane and Rob in The Movie. William Shatner and Shirley MacLaine? I forget.

Tom:No, those were jokes about Sue and me. Shelley Winters as Sue. Jane and Rob can be played by... Holly Hunter and and Tom Cruise! Red Alert! This sounds like a channeling job for SETH! Scuffling into the emergency folding rocking chair they carry... even to Club Med at St. Martens. The Secretary of State needs a Seth session about his Beautiful but Sexually Irresponsible Teenage Daughter (Gwyneth Paltrow). Pen poised over clipboard on Gucci briefcase. Bad lip-synching accompanies the heavily reverbed voice of James Earl Jones as Seth. NOW. GIVE US A MOMENT. I WISH YOU A FOND GOOD EVENING. THE GIRL IS BEAUTIFUL INDEED. BUT SHE IS INCONTINENT. Etc.

Tom:I have recording instruments. I lowered a tape of Jane's Seth-voice down to about male register once. Pretty impressive, heightening the sensation of a truly gargantuan other-worldliness.

Tom:It was already impressive anyway. Her Seth voice really did rattle windows and her Sumari singing often smothered the quarter-inch magnetic tape. This came from a skinny little woman who smoked 4 packs of Pall Malls every day of her adult life, Sue said.

Tom:As to where Jane is "now," there is no way in eternity this personality is wafting around in some never-never land hoping to use floppy new-age flowergirls & boys as "channels" to finish up any kind of business or make "true confessions" about how she feels about anything.

Tom:It's most likely that in terms of our time, she has moved on to another probability system, as Seth said she and Rob would -- and he said it right at the get-go in Seth Speaks.

Tom:I dreamed at least 10 years ago that I saw her now learning to divide her conscious identity up into 6 separate individual new forms of being simultaneously. All one, all distinct from the other.

Tom:Most of us are lucky to catch ourselves imagining going to the bathroom before we get up to do it. Imagine even imagining playing with your identity so that you are simultaneously aware of 6 different worlds at once in total detail. Hard to even imagine imagining, isn't it?

Tom: Why don't people who claim to be interested in this work READ the god damned books?

Shawn:>Because they haven't been made into a 2 hour movie of the week?

Tom:Which famous satirist were YOU in a previous life?

Shawn:There would be an interesting thing to try on your discussion board. I'm particularly interested in what your next response to Ranger/Nicholas will be.

Tom:Yup. Go see. Now he wants me to write the book.

Tom:Have you been following the dream "hits" on that board? So far, Deb and Thyra and Daisy Mae and me. Oh yeh: Elisabeth dreamed of me riding alongside Queen Guinevere. Can't be literal. I hated riding horses even when that was the way to get around. I wish people would leave 'em alone.

Tom:And why aren't you trying a dream experiment with us, me boyo? There is an exercise you could try for fun and fascination.

Tom:Say -- where did what I wrote you about dream communications with Jane go? was that in another letter? They're legit. Gotta tell 'em.

Tom:PS I'm writing stuff to you that hundreds and hundreds of people need to hear too, I'm sure. And you're not even showing this to anybody, are you? Maybe I should at least post some of this stuff on the 'net someplace.

Shawn:>I have saved all of them. I've sent a few to a close friend but in >respecting your privacy I have not. I would like to post them on my website >with your permission (which it looks like you are giving). Give me a little >information about you (what you want to be called, involvement with Jane, >etc.) for the page...

Tom:I've seen it as of this writing. Looks really good. Show world. There are a couple three errors of memory I've made, I think. Will fix. I'd sooner not have a separate blurb set up as tho' to add a bow tie and comb my hair properly... it's already self explanatory and will probably grow wearisomely so as we continue. I see some is already a bit repetitive.

Tom: You make a very good interviewer. I expect that in all due spontanaiety you'll get to the rest of the questions people have been putting to me. And I'll watch my spelling and grammar.


May 22, 2000

Tom:For me, different themes would prevail over others for lengthy periods of time that amounted to long meditations. For instance, for about 2 years, "what an ego is" predominated in my ruminations.

Shawn: I seem to be there right now. Did you seem to get a grasp on the answer to this?

Tom:Yup.

Shawn: Part of my question to you about the components of the self (inner ego, subconscious, personality, etc...) was to help pinpoint the ego.

Tom:Specify "your ego" as you would "your foot" or "your hands" and you're a lot closer already.

Shawn: From the Seth writings I have a much better idea of what it is in the last couple of months. TES3 and TES4 had some great stuff on that. I imagine the state of being that I experience immediately upon awakening is a minimal ego state compared to the normal waking state.

Tom:What's sometimes called "hypnagogic," somewhere between waking and dreaming... Not sure how to deal with your statement. I've had nights where my ego was "on" throughout, or what I think of my ego portion, through dream states.

Tom:Maybe that's what some mean by "lucid dreaming." Out of dreams then up out of bed without having felt the usual sensation of waking from a sleep state; so that I saw my dreams no differently than in the usual texture of how waking reality, or framework one, seems. But "Basically, there are no divisions to the self," so we're dealing with the art of terminology here.

Shawn: Seth did mention that the dreams in the REM state were 'surface level' dreams meant more for the surface level ego which leaves me wondering how much ego is involved in REM dreams vs. dreams in the deeper stages of sleep.

Tom:The so-called REM dreams are your body reacting to dramas that have been formed at the deeper levels of sleep. It's possible to take your ego "in" pretty far so long as you're not afraid of the changes you meet. Beyond "OOBs" there are states where the appearance of your body isn't necessary and your consciousness still can retain the form you usually use when you're in one, i.e., ego.

Shawn: So what conclusions did you make about what a belief is?

Tom:Uuuse the force, Luke!

Shawn: Maybe you could give your thoughts on certain things like 'ego' and 'belief' and we could make a new section for these.

Tom:A work of high ambition indeed. Give us a moment (wink). Tonight, anyway, I'm just trying to keep up with this correspondence, before bedtime rears its weary head ever too quickly; in short, "a belief" can be justly and correctly confused with "a reality." As to what an ego "is," I'm still using mine often, and have rather thought that essays on the ego, would be best written when a good deal older than I am now. I may say right things, but maybe not heartful things that people might better hear.

Tom:Mostly, I've come to no conclusions that I think are an improvement on what Seth has had to say about either. To elaborate some, I've watched for years how "the ego" is treated like crap in most "spiritual" writings, and in religions, psychology, and in people's daily doings. Bad news.


May 24, 2000

Shawn: I was thinking today about what drives me and us (people in general) to share their questions and understandings. Why not figure this stuff out and keep it to ourselves.

Tom:Because A.) Man is basically Good; B.) Some of it won't work if a lot of people don't believe it; C.)You may as well discover your feet and try keeping that from everybody. That reminds me: I've noticed that Bill Gates' new book, HOW TO WALK, doesn't seem to be selling.

Shawn: Books like you were referring to seem to attract people who want to bring the prizes of such endeavors down to their level of daily hypnosis instead of using them to break the looking glass, so to speak.

Tom:Many such feel unworthy of the prize -- whatever it may be -- and so pretend to put it "up" and away from themselves. Those such can also behave like pretty jealous people. A natural mechanism to keep the worthy from feeling sorry for them, I suppose.

Tom:I lowered a tape of Jane's Seth-voice [etc] Pretty impressive,

Shawn: Sounds like that would be cool to put on the web.

Tom:Nah. We already have "Seth Network Galactical Conference of Tubby Know It Alls" or whatever that is, to distort things. Besides, how would you like it if somebody screwed around with your voice and advertised for people to come hear that?

Tom:[etc] Imagine even imagining playing with your identity so that you are simultaneously aware of 6 different worlds at once in total detail. Hard to even imagine imagining, isn't it?

Shawn: Yes, but I think that's part of what the Seth exercises from Unknown were about. He said we can hold many more things in our minds than we currently do. (Practice Element 10)

Tom:Laddie. Can you imagine me rubbing my forehead, slowly, wearily, trying to forestall the approach of a mere wee foreboding of quiet chagrin? Then I rub a little harder. And just a lit-tle har-derrrrrrrgh. Ah. Better. Now then: have you... tried Practice Element 10? Yet?

Tom:Would you like to know when I first tried it? I first tried it when I was working as a copywriter in an advertising dept.... at my job. Yes! While doing my job.

Tom:I understand you too have a job, lad. Have you tried that one? Say, at your job? You can try it there, or anywhere... not driving your car, though, he's right. You need time where you don't require life-or death reaction time. But you need to be doing something.

Tom:Perhaps, though, you would like to know what happened to ME the first time I tried that exercise. WELL I GREW A PAIR OF ANTENNAE AND MY EYES BUGGED OUT AND NOW I LOOK LIKE A GRASSHOPPER! IT'S REALLY EMBARRASSING! I'M SORRY I EVER TRIED IT. In fact, one result was that it felt like my IQ had just shot up 20 points. It's a GREAT exercise. So do it and tell me what happens. Then we may send you your pod.

Shawn: I'm going to use your first reponse to be your description unless you wish to add more.

Tom:If you mean what you put up there to start with, that's just fine as is. Haven't been back to look since last weekend.

Shawn: I've added the rest and cleaned it up a little. Are you thinking I should edit out some of the conversational stuff and leave the 'meaty' Seth related stuff (As I saw your comment on the 'Journey').

Tom:nope. Right as-is. Fix your spelling where needed as you've a mind to. Plus, the conversational stuff is a decent read as conversation.

Shawn: Sounds good. I could also create/maintain a Tom Dark website if you like. You can consider it payment for what you are giving me in these discussions. Let me know...

Tom:Nice of ya. But no payment to be involved. And I s'pose I should add, "all rights reserved" for all I commit to print. It's time for me to think about commercial publishing again. Nevertheless: I'm expecting you to do your own dreaming and exercising and exploring and have your own tales to tell. This is how to move the world.


May 25, 2000

Shawn: Part of my question to you about the components of the self (inner ego, subconscious, personality, etc...) was to help pinpoint the ego.

Tom: Specify "your ego" as you would "your foot" or "your hands" and you're a lot closer already.

Shawn: Sounds like the idea is not to identify completely with it but to consider it a piece of you or a useful appendage.

Tom:Yes.

Tom:... Maybe that's what some mean by "lucid dreaming." Out of dreams then up out of bed without having felt the usual sensation of waking from a sleep state; so that I saw my dreams no differently than from the usual texture of how waking reality, or framework one, seems. But "Basically, there are no divisions to the self," so we're dealing with the art of terminology here.

Shawn: I've read that the less one identifies with the ego the more likely and frequent lucid dreams will be.

Tom:"The ego" is blamed in some pretty irresponsible ways in some quarters. One's quite useful ordinary daily waking self is treated like an unwanted appendage. Ungood. And then, "lucid dreams" are overidealized. Also ungood. How "lucid" they really are might be moot. A certain fellow I know likes to go on wild rampages of rape and gleeful violence when he's ego-awake in a dream. He enjoys it much. A fine achievement in consciousness for a hun, maybe (no, it's not O.J. Simpson). Likely he's working off the effects of psychiatrists and "anti-intrusive-thought" pills.

Tom:Let's conclude for terminology's sake that it's a condition when one's ego consciousness operates in dream states at particular levels where the environment still resembles physical order. It's good for you, for sure.

Shawn: When I have a lucid dream I have the same consciousness I do in waking reality but realize I'm dreaming. I also have about 10-15 minutes in the morning when my ego is 'booting up' immediately upon waking.

Tom:So that'd be your regular waking consciousness in dream environments, yes? "Booting up." I like that. Anyway, Practice Element 11 is an excellent one for flexing your ego for psychic exercises and dream focus.

Shawn: B.) Some of it won't work if a lot of people don't believe it; That reminds me: I've noticed that Bill Gates' new book, HOW TO WALK, doesn't seem to be selling.

Shawn: On the B item I imagine you are referring mostly to stuff found in "The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events"?

Tom:No, just common sense. Such as, you need a lot of people to believe in the value of money before you can buy a cow with it.

Shawn: If Bill G. was selling a book entitled "How to make $50 billion" I think that one might sell. He's uniquely qualified to write that one.

Tom:I think he's already done better than that. Plus, I hear he won The Washington State Lottery for 6 million dollars last week and he plans to retire and buy a small fishing boat. But who would you recommend to write HOW TO WALK? Have you ever tried to figure out how you do?

Shawn: Yes! I have tried all the ones on my website at least once. And I am doing some every night at bedtime. And I carry a printout in my wallet with all the exercises from NPR and Unknown.

Tom:So? Results? What are they so far?

Tom: I understand you too have a job, lad. Have you tried that one? Say, at your job? You can try it there, or anywhere... not driving your car, though, he's right. You need time where you don't require life-or death reaction time. But you need to be doing something.

Shawn: I'm sure a very good habit to start. I've stopped what I'm doing for a 5-10 minute period of quiet meditation and that can be a huge help on a busy day. I think 5-10 minutes a couple times a day would workout pretty good for Seth exercises.

Tom:I was referring specifically to Practice Element 10, here, which doesn't require a time limit.

Tom:But you might try Practice Element 2 at work some time, so long as you have a few quiet moments like during lunch to start. The experience lasted about 8 hours for me. When Seth said "the results can be astonishing," he was understating the case where I'm concerned.


May 31, 2000

Tom:But who would you recommend to write HOW TO WALK? Have you ever tried to figure out how you do?

Shawn: I'm sure he's [Bill Gates] not being literal but to entertain the thread I don't think we have words to describe the process of "move your leg". In three books Seth mentions that we don't know how we speak but take it on faith that we will make sense when we open our mouths. That's a very interesting thing to try to observe in oneself.

Tom:I made a joke; Bill Gates didn't really win a lottery ticket. Anyway, Seth said "You don't know how you are going to end a sentence when you begin it, but you have faith that you will," and he said that as an analogy for the way we make our reality as we go along. I say this to clarify the distinction between what he said and whether anyone has faith that they're going to make any sense or not. Quite a few of us don't, and quite a few do, unwarrantedly.

Tom:The reason I asked if you've ever tried to figure out how you walk is because I did when I was a kid. I was walking down the street trying to trace every move in my body as I did. This brought me to a halt, and for a moment, I stood motionless on the sidewalk, unable to remember how to walk.

Tom:W.C. Fields was a self-taught juggler; he was reputed to be one of the finest in the world. After he became a star, he picked up a how-to book on juggling one day, tried it, couldn't follow the instructions at all, and gave up juggling for the rest of his life. Thought for today.

Tom:But you might try Practice Element 2 at work some time, so long as you have a few quiet moments like during lunch to start.

Shawn: I tried this the other night while laying in bed. My results might have been on the opposite end of the spectrum as yours. Like most people I'd guess that my days are very close to carbon copies of each other. Considering what I might call an 'event' took some doing. I chose a near collision I had on the way to work. A large truck pulled into my lane without looking. I saw him in plenty of time and moved to the next lane. I tried to let my mind run and trace this event through my life's past. I ended up thinking that every single moment of my past life leads me to every single present point. I decided the exercise meant to try to find particular experiences in the past that might have specifically led me to this event. Not much, I take this particular route if I'm there before 10AM otherwise I take another. The time I got up, left the house, whether I had breakfast or not I'm sure all contributed to being at that place at that time. Like I said everything up till that point led me to be there.

Shawn: I then tried to project the future events from this one. I gently swerved around the truck and went about my business. I imagined the men in the truck. Their immediate conversation. Not much to have happened. Maybe the driver would be more careful on some other route and save a childs life?

Tom:Hmm. Try this one once again, only awake in the day, not before sleep. Pick a fresh event and it doesn't matter what. Imagine the thing (in full detail) from the point of view of another; leave future events out of that part and PLEASE try to stop anticipating "the meaning" while exercising. In picking "the other's" point of view, be as thorough about re-imagining the details of "his" event as you were going over it from your point of view.

Tom:"An event" is just anything. I picked walking out of my building on lunch hour, going to the bank across the street, picking up a pack of matches there and returning. The results, as I said, were astonishing.